Ed Cesnalis Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 http://www.oregon.gov/aviation/pages/pilotreg.aspx Certificate of Oregon Pilot Registration. Every pilot operating within Oregon must present a federal certificate of competency and state certificate of registration upon demand. The certificate of registration shall be kept in the personal possession of the pilot when operating aircraft within this state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug G. Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 So much for flying to McMinville. Has AOPA and EAA addressed this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug G. Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 I already pay in two states. ND because I am based there and MN because I live there. (ND is $25, MN is $100.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Jefts Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 Oops, They missed me when flying through Oregon and refueling at Klamath Falls in June. How are you supposed to know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Cesnalis Posted August 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 Oops, They missed me when flying through Oregon and refueling at Klamath Falls in June. How are you supposed to know? You should have landed in Alturas and hired a lawyer to research Oregon law for you before you crossed the border. :unsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Cesnalis Posted August 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 If I send a crew to South Lake Tahoe I have to purchase a permit from Nevada. We use US 395 and US 50 both go through Nevada. Not only do I have to buy a permit in the morning but a 2nd one in the afternoon so we can drive home. States are finding more and more fees to charge while they raise tax rates. In my local town we now pay a TBID tax, a sales tax to fund tourism. Our closest town Bishop, CA is going to enact a TBID as well. The citizens don't vote on TBIDs, it only took 2 guys to enact one in our town because they run the 2 biggest businesses they had the 'votes' to enact the tax on all of us. Sheesh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
207WF Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 I doubt this is legal, as the Feds not the states regulate aviation. Someone what to volunteer to get caught out of compliance and go to court to fix this? WF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug G. Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 The state(s) did not ask if I wanted to pay registration for my plane. Neither MN or ND cage you to fly in the state if you are registered elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runtoeat Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 Always was grateful I don't live in New York or Connecticut or other Northeastern states due to the taxes there. Always figured I'd go hole up in some Northwestern state if the state bureaucracies got onerous here. Guess I'll have to rethink all of this based on the comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anticept Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 They can't "lock you out of their airspace" as they don't own airspace. That's a violation of various open airspace treaties and federal regulations. They DO have authority over the land though, so if you touch down, they can levy landing fees and operating taxes. I seriously doubt they will be able to pursue you though if you only touch down once, I am thinking this is more of a fee for pilots that operate *regularly* out of oregon. I'm not too bothered by the fee, as long as the money is only used in accordance with the oregon law which states that all of those proceeds will be used for search & rescue, and pilot safety training and awareness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandpiper Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 When ADS-B is fully implemented a computer will send a bill. No humans needed, except to spend the $. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul m Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 Always was grateful I don't live in New York or Connecticut or other Northeastern states due to the taxes there. Always figured I'd go hole up in some Northwestern state if the state bureaucracies got onerous here. Guess I'll have to rethink all of this based on the comments. I didn't pay any sales tax when I bought my new CT, and no annual personal property tax on it either. Just a $100 annual registration. Any state that treats aviation that well can't be all bad, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Jefts Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 When ADS-B is fully implemented a computer will send a bill. No humans needed, except to spend the $. Big Brother? Hopefully they won't take it that far. Lot's of privacy issues there. One can always turn the transponder off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 This mandate by the State of Oregon can set an unwelcome precident. I've contacted Mark Baker (AOPA) and Sean Elliott (EAA). If you feel as strongly about this as I do, send your coments to the above listed at: mark@aopa.org govt@eaa.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 CT, Thanks for the heads-up on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandpiper Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 Keep in mind this is not a new fee. Don't know how long its been around but was in effect when we moved to Oregon 10 years ago. There is the pilot registration fee and a fee to register your plane. Neither fee is very much but the camels nose is under the tent flap. It wouldn't be so hard for me to take if it all went to the Division of Aviation for maintaining the airports. But, the pilot registration fee goes to defray the costs of searching for us when we don't come back. Apparently to sherrifs departments, etc. are the recipients. This is a service the Civil Air Patrol already provides for without state funding. For those like Paul M, or myself, who bought our planes where sales tax was not in effect, we need to remember that moving to a state that does have sales tax, we may get to pay. For example, Washington state. Before finally settling in Oregon, we considered Washington - except they not only wanted sales tax on our C-206, but also on our motor home. The tab was about $14K. Scratched WA off our list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 BTW, Georgia sucks for airplane owners. I got hit when I bought my plane for $5000 in state "use tax" (that's how they get sales tax under a different name for a plane bought out of state), and just got my first property tax bill on the CT...slightly more than $1000, and that one is every year. In the first two years of ownership I have essentially paid 10% of the value of the airplane in taxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runtoeat Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 Andy, is the Georgia tax a "intangibles" tax or truly a property tax? Is this tax also paid on boats, motor homes, etc.? This really sucks. Can't imagine paying $1000/year for my CT in taxes. In Michigan, I paid a one time sales tax which was bad enough. The tax agent said I needed to pay the tax on the listing price of the plane. I told him the plane could be listed for double or triple what it sold for but the price it sold for is the true value. This is the one time I won an argument with a tax collector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 Andy, is the Georgia tax a "intangibles" tax or truly a property tax? Is this tax also paid on boats, motor homes, etc.? This really sucks. Can't imagine paying $1000/year for my CT in taxes. In Michigan, I paid a one time sales tax which was bad enough. The tax agent said I needed to pay the tax on the listing price of the plane. I told him the plane could be listed for double or triple what it sold for but the price it sold for is the true value. This is the one time I won an argument with a tax collector. It's a property tax, the same as you would pay on your house. In fact, my house tax this year is $1250, my CT property tax is $1021. I'm contesting the valuation they put on the airplane, but in the end there is no way I'll escape with less than a $750 tax bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony & Rose Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 In California we paid over $10k sales tax when purchased and $1300 annual county property tax. When we changed hangars/airport, which also changed our county, the new county worked with us and uses a 'fair marker' approach for the tax. Our current bill was $880. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 According to AOPA, the fees have been enforce for approx 10 years. This was nothing new. The fees are used for search and rescue of aircraft and missing persons. Also for pilot survival traing and education. As such, I think it's a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony & Rose Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 I got a reply from an Oregon source I have (unable to post it) that in general indicates this is NOT a new item; but with their budget situation the state is more aggressive in collecting various fees, etc. The SAR fund is derived from a .01 cent tax on Jet A fuel/gallon. That fee has been in existent since 1952, with no increase. They (state) attempted to add an additional .01 cent/gallon recently but were not successful, etc..... I have more questions than answers, however...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josjonkers Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 Amazing the stuff governments come up with when they are broke! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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