BravoFoxtrot Posted December 29, 2014 Report Share Posted December 29, 2014 Trying to find a good used pump can be difficult. One option is to buy a rebuilt pump from the manufacturer. GPI offers a model M150S at a current price of $189.50. Been using one for several months and it works well. Try the following link: http://gpi.net/fuel-products/rebuilt/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sully209 Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 Does anyone syphon out of their own car tank into a gas can for plane refueling ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted January 19, 2015 Report Share Posted January 19, 2015 Does anyone syphon out of their own car tank into a gas can for plane refueling ? Car fuel tanks are pretty trashy...I would not do that except in an emergency or if I had an excellent filter system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Meade Posted January 19, 2015 Report Share Posted January 19, 2015 Jacques has the right/correct/easiest solution. I use the same system, a towel then the 5 gal can, and then the syphon to fill. I am also lucky in that I can get 91 octane mogas without the corn crap. Dr. Ken Nolde, CTLS 840KN Will you feel any better if you know that the ethanol is made from sugar cane, as is done in Brazil, or cellulose such as is being done by POET using corn stover? Or would you rather have MTBE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anticept Posted January 19, 2015 Report Share Posted January 19, 2015 By the way, 10% ethanol boosts octane by two points. Buying 93 is a safe bet even with ethanol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Jefts Posted January 19, 2015 Report Share Posted January 19, 2015 Pure-Gas.org gives one non ethanol gas locations. Has anyone had any influence in getting a non ethanol source near them and if so, how? There is none in Tucson but it sure would be nice if there were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Meade Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 Duane, Here is an interesting discussion of Arizona motor fuels. It seems credible. Near the very end of the article is an explanation for the ethanol situation in Phoenix. http://www.azenergy.gov/doclib/energy/az_motor_fuel_and_supply_distribution.pdf It's a short read. I would emphasize that ethanol blends take place at the rack, not at the refinery, so the situation is local. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Jefts Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 Thanks Jim. Still working on finding someone with access to non ethanol gas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Meade Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 Do your local boaters have exemptions from oxygenated gasoline, as they do in other states? I don't know where one goes to find that out for Arizona. I would probably pick up a phone and call a marina that sells fuel and ask the guy who buys fuel for them. Are there marinas in Arizona? (that is a joke) Another thing to do is check and see what the law says. It may apply only to motor vehicles that use the road. If that is the case, one could see if one can get a tank and have someone deliver non-oxygenated fuel directly to you. A local flying club does that. The delivery would have to be from the distributor (the "rack" in fuel slang). Back when I was driving a gas transport to pay my way through college, we'd load at the rack where all gas was the same except for the additive package they included. We'd punch some buttons and the package was blended as the fuel was loaded. You'd want gasoline with no additives or at least no oxygenate. I understand this may be more trouble to you than it is worth, I'm just sharing some brainstorming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Jefts Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 Again Jim, thanks. Working on it. Actually many marinas in AZ, just not any in my part of the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbigs Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 Duane, your CT will burn 91E10 perfectly well...Why hunt around for a fuel you don't need and will pay more for? Right now, mogas for the CT is in the low $2 range making flights in the CT almost free...something like $9/hr fuel burn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 Duane, your CT will burn 91E10 perfectly well...Why hunt around for a fuel you don't need and will pay more for? Right now, mogas for the CT is in the low $2 range making flights in the CT almost free...something like $9/hr fuel burn.Duane is hunting fuel for our "throw down aircraft" recently acquired to explore South America. We will start a new post as soon as details on this three year adventure begins. Farmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbigs Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 Duane is hunting fuel for our "throw down aircraft" recently acquired to explore South America. We will start a new post as soon as details on this three year adventure begins. Farmer Oh, neat. Will look forward to hearing about it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Posted July 9, 2016 Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 +1 goat throat. Have one, works extremely well for pumping all sorts of (compatible) fluids. Note that you must order the correct type, as they use different plastics and gaskets. Call them and they will talk to you and give you recommendations. Viton plastic is the type you want for gasoline. Make sure you ask about a grounding type too. They will put conductive plastic in it to reduce sparking hazard. Hi Corey! I bought the goat throat pump and am now looking at tank options. Which tank and adapter did you go with? ~~ Johnny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 I just built this trailer for about $1800... JME 55 gallon DOT approved transfer tank, a Cox grounding reel, GPI 15 gpm pump with shutoff, meter and filter, a 40" x 48" Harbor Freight trailer, an Optima Blue Top Marine battery, tool box control box and battery housing so on and so forth... Slick little trailer! (could have been built cheaper but I "spared no expense" and more importantly, had a lot of fun building it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Cesnalis Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Very Nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howardnmn Posted August 10, 2016 Report Share Posted August 10, 2016 i kept an eye out on craigs list for a transfer pump. found one and mounted it on plastic barrel and put the whole thing on a low trolley. about $250 including used transfer pump and old RV battery i ground the assembly with jumper cables to metal hanger when fueling. the extra jerry under plane is for overflow. i pull into a gas station and fuel jerry cans while in trunk of car; then suck out the gas without ever lifting the cans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George in San Diego Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 Like Doug, I have been using the Tuff Jugs. They are available at Cycle Gear stores (nationwide chain of motorcycle accessories and apparel, etc.) They cost about $40 each but will obviously pay for themselves in fuel savings over Avgas shortly. Most non-aviation folks agree that typical E10 fuel shouldn't be allowed to stand for months at a time like 100LL. As such, I prefer to never keep more than 20 gallons in the airplane unless I'm going somewhere far enough to use it up. I have the rubber extenders (also available from C.G.) and use them only if I'm topping off. This year I've flown only locally so I pour in 5 gallons at a time to freshen the fuel. I put the Tuff Jug onto the "paint platform" on the ladder, climb up two steps, then set it sideways on the top of the ladder before finally lifting it over the fill opening. If the cap is tight with the seal in place these things will not leak. I've never put a drop of gas on the wing yet. If you can manage to lift about 35 lbs, I can't imagine a better solution. Just go to a gas station, fill the jug(s) and put into the airplane right away. -George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyb Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 Like Doug, I have been using the Tuff Jugs. They are available at Cycle Gear stores (nationwide chain of motorcycle accessories and apparel, etc.) They cost about $40 each but will obviously pay for themselves in fuel savings over Avgas shortly. Most non-aviation folks agree that typical E10 fuel shouldn't be allowed to stand for months at a time like 100LL. As such, I prefer to never keep more than 20 gallons in the airplane unless I'm going somewhere far enough to use it up. I have the rubber extenders (also available from C.G.) and use them only if I'm topping off. This year I've flown only locally so I pour in 5 gallons at a time to freshen the fuel. I put the Tuff Jug onto the "paint platform" on the ladder, climb up two steps, then set it sideways on the top of the ladder before finally lifting it over the fill opening. If the cap is tight with the seal in place these things will not leak. I've never put a drop of gas on the wing yet. If you can manage to lift about 35 lbs, I can't imagine a better solution. Just go to a gas station, fill the jug(s) and put into the airplane right away. -George I own 3 of the 2.5 gallon Tuff Jugs, and one 5 gallon Tuff Jug. I vastly prefer the 2.5 gallon. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 I just built this trailer for about $1800... JME 55 gallon DOT approved transfer tank, a Cox grounding reel, GPI 15 gpm pump with shutoff, meter and filter, a 40" x 48" Harbor Freight trailer, an Optima Blue Top Marine battery, tool box control box and battery housing so on and so forth... Slick little trailer! (could have been built cheaper but I "spared no expense" and more importantly, had a lot of fun building it) I keep making noises about building something like this, and then finding other ways to spend the money. I'd love to see a parts list for your trailer with part numbers. I have a buddy at my field who might split the cost of something like that for us both to use, possibly with a slightly larger tank (it would take 60 gallons to gas us both up fully). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 Hi Andy, Here goes: Utility Trailer - Harbor Freight $240.00 http://www.harborfreight.com/1090-lb-capacity-40-12-in-x-48-in-utility-trailer-62645.html Utility Trailer Jack - Harbor Freight $25.00 http://www.harborfreight.com/1000-lb-swing-back-trailer-jack-41005.html Fuel Transfer Tank - 55 Gallon $485.00 http://www.jmesales.com/product/55-gallon-dot-aluminum-square-refueling-transfer-tank,7337,6001.htm Note on tank: Under 120 Gallons flies under the radar of the DOT regulations for fuel haulers. You could go to a larger 110 gallon tank if you are sharing with another person. Fuel Transfer Pump - 15 GPM $402.00 http://www.jmesales.com/product/gpi-m-150s-au-fuel-transfer-pump-12v-dc-15-gpm-automatic-nozzle,14744,4523.htm Fuel Filter / Meter - $193 http://www.jmesales.com/product/gpi-fm-100-series-mechanical-meters,8862,7258.htm Cox Grounding Reel - $257.00 http://www.jmesales.com/product/coxreels-ez-sd-series-ez-coil-static-discharge-reels,5777,7783.htm Battery - Marine Deep Cycle - $176.00 https://www.amazon.com/Optima-Batteries-8016-103-BlueTop-Starting/dp/B00075OSCO/ref=sr_1_3?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1472666107&sr=1-3&keywords=optima+battery Battery Mount - $63.00 https://www.amazon.com/Optima-Billet-Battery-Relocation-551183/dp/B011IT8F3K/ref=pd_sim_263_6?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=KZ2RTCGX5Y3DDCAB8C6M Battery Charger - $105.00 https://www.amazon.com/Optima-Digital-Performance-Maintainer-Battery/dp/B00DHGPVKI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1472666479&sr=8-1&keywords=optima+battery+charger Battery Box / Control Box - $250 http://www.ebay.com/itm/24-x-18-x-18-Underbody-Underbelly-Unique-Aluminum-Diamond-Plate-Tool-Box-/381706403447?vxp=mtr IN addition you'll need some screws, a 25 amp breaker, a little control box etc. I sourced locally from a brother in law who owns a metal shop a 40" x 48" x 1/4" piece of aluminum to serve as the decking of the trailer (which bonds the fuel tank, ground reel, battery box all together and to the tow vehicle whose lights are grounded through the harness). I realize these prices total around $2200.00. I had some of the items on hand, you can also substitute a Flow Rite pump for the more expensive GPI pump, you don't need to add the meter if you don't want, you can use a cheaper cox grounding reel etc. Lots of ways to cut cost down. You can mount the battery right to the trailer deck and skip the $250 tool box. I'm guessing a bargain basement version could be built for less than 1500. My trailer was inspected by the Fullerton fire department in the city where the airport is (KFUL). By having it issued a fire permit I can now park it (empty) in my hangar (I'm allowed up to 3 gallons residual) and the airport blessed me using it to fuel the plane (outside the hangar) because MoGas is not offered on the field. Its a completely legal solution! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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