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In light of the new, clarified, ADS/B information that just came out regarding LSA and experimental aircraft, I thought there should be a current thread with information on new, lower cost, ADS/B solutions.  Competition should kick in here soon.

 

NavWorx has a unit that might be an answer for many of us.  Their ADS600-EXP is only $699.  They told me it would display traffic on my 696 at the same time it provides traffic and weather information to WingX (via wifi) on the iPad.  Using my existing Garmin GTX330.

http://www.navworx.com/index.php 

more info:  http://www.navworx.com/navworx_store/Experimental_Aircraft_Transceivers/ADS600_EXP.html 

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My understanding is that this change by the FAA currently only apply to Experimental and E-LSA (kit built LSA), not S-LSA ( factory built LSA). Anyone know for sure? Also where are the changes documented?

 

Thanks,

Palle

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Being pretty heavily into Garmin Pilot, I hope Garmin comes out with a similar solution at a similar price point.  If not, I'd have to grit my teeth and move to WingX...that Navworx box is very sweet looking.

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It appears that all Navworx did was rebrand their existing TSO'ed ADS-B box and remove a couple features for differentiation which allowed them to reused the TSO testing results.  The market is restricted to experimental and LSA so there is no loss on their certified side. Pretty smart marking move.

 

I'd guess Garmin is contemplating the same thing with their GDL-88/84 series.  I'd figure they are going to do so given their Team X focus on experimental and LSA.

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I'd guess Garmin is contemplating the same thing with their GDL-88/84 series.  I'd figure they are going to do so given their Team X focus on experimental and LSA.

 

Your lips to God's ears!  :)

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I found the FAA change. The text in question changes from "meets the requirements of TSO-xxx" to "meets the PERFORMANCE requirements of TSO-xxx". So for all LSAs, non-TSOed ADS-B equipment can be installed as long as it performes as per the relevant TSOs. I hope that is so.

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I found the FAA change. The text in question changes from "meets the requirements of TSO-xxx" to "meets the PERFORMANCE requirements of TSO-xxx". So for all LSAs, non-TSOed ADS-B equipment can be installed as long as it performes as per the relevant TSOs. I hope that is so.

 

SLSA and experimentals are not required to have certified gear.  That is the point and why the FAA clarified the ADS-B requirement.  It never made sense for the FAA to require certified gear where they did not require it before...

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Wow... here's another product from NavWorx that may be the ticket.... it's called PADS-B.  While costing $999, there is ZERO additional cost, because the "P" stands for Portable.  With the other units, there is extra charge for the antenna ($100?), plus installation/integration of the unit ($400-$700?).

 

You just plug this into aircraft power and plop it on the glare-shield.... full ADS/B in and out, displayed on your tablet (WingX, IFly, Naviator, etc)

http://www.navworx.com/navworx_store/Portable_ADS_B_OUT_IN_Transceiver/ 

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Wow again!

For guys like us, that use WingX Pro, this is awesome.

Thanks for the heads up Tim. . . . . . :)

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Even with the revised language, PADS-B will not satisfy the 2020 rule without being installed. Would not be difficult to do but the FAA deems equipment installed if:

  • Attached to the plane via a bracket, strap, etc.
  • Permanent externally mounted antenna
  • Connected to ship's power with a dedicated breaker that may be turned off and on

Doesn't mean it won't function just fine, though.

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Wow... here's another product from NavWorx that may be the ticket.... it's called PADS-B.  While costing $999, there is ZERO additional cost, because the "P" stands for Portable.  With the other units, there is extra charge for the antenna ($100?), plus installation/integration of the unit ($400-$700?).

 

You just plug this into aircraft power and plop it on the glare-shield.... full ADS/B in and out, displayed on your tablet (WingX, IFly, Naviator, etc)

http://www.navworx.com/navworx_store/Portable_ADS_B_OUT_IN_Transceiver/ 

 

That unit looks pretty cool.  I assume it has USB or some other facility to program your identifier into it for the ADS-B Out portion?  This might also have the disadvantage of having to change the transponder code in two places, on your physical transponder and again in software for the ADS-B box.  Also, I'd *highly* recommend an external antenna...20W of radiated RF power is more than I'd want blasting into my brain stem from the top of the glareshield...

 

Very neat idea, I think the new rules clarification is really going to kick some great devices into out hands.

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'Got more info on these...  The $699 unit (ADS600-EXP), is now at $869, and is listed as "promotional pricing", which means it's likely to go up.

 

The PADS-B unit is now going to be sold by SkyVision, under the name Salus-3.  Promo pricing is at $999, but will go to around $1299 the first part of April (when it ships).

 

The Salus-3 uses an App to display traffic/weather, which has a control panel for entering the transponder code.  For an extra $200, they have a device that goes around the transponder cable and inductively reads the code and altitude.

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How's this for a game-changer... Google is thinking of getting into the ADS/B business, flooding the market with ultra low-cost ADS/B units to help set the stage for the use of delivery drones.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/google-targets-low-cost-ads-b-out-avionics-market-410473/ 

http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/Google-Getting-Into-ADS-B-223821-1.html

http://www.avweb.com/blogs/insider/AEA-Google-to-the-Rescue-on-ADS-B-223824-1.html

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How's this for a game-changer... Google is thinking of getting into the ADS/B business, flooding the market with ultra low-cost ADS/B units to help set the stage for the use of delivery drones.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/google-targets-low-cost-ads-b-out-avionics-market-410473/ 

http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/Google-Getting-Into-ADS-B-223821-1.html 

The S in ADS-B being "surveillance", of course Google will get involved. ????

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'Got more info on these...  The $699 unit (ADS600-EXP), is now at $869, and is listed as "promotional pricing", which means it's likely to go up.

 

The PADS-B unit is now going to be sold by SkyVision, under the name Salus-3.  Promo pricing is at $999, but will go to around $1299 the first part of April (when it ships).

 

The Salus-3 uses an App to display traffic/weather, which has a control panel for entering the transponder code.  For an extra $200, they have a device that goes around the transponder cable and inductively reads the code and altitude.

Only issue is there is no iOS or Android app and you need Windows CE to access and set parameters....that's a none starter right out of the box in this day and age.

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How's this for a game-changer... Google is thinking of getting into the ADS/B business, flooding the market with ultra low-cost ADS/B units to help set the stage for the use of delivery drones.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/google-targets-low-cost-ads-b-out-avionics-market-410473/ 

http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/Google-Getting-Into-ADS-B-223821-1.html 

 

The avweb links is bad.

 

This is an ADS-B solution, not a tablet to run an EFB (for those complaining about OS and flight planning).  Google wants to fill the skys with drone delivery.  They know that's a disaster unless these things can be detected by aircraft.  Their required interim is that their drones have to be flown by humans with a private pilots license from the ground, for now.

 

It may turn out that the Google will end up giving all the guys that are unable or unwilling to equip for the 2020 mandate a cheap way out.  Who else is big enough to subsidize an idea like this?  Not even the FAA wants to get into that wringer...

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'Got more info on these...  The $699 unit (ADS600-EXP), is now at $869, and is listed as "promotional pricing", which means it's likely to go up.

 

The PADS-B unit is now going to be sold by SkyVision, under the name Salus-3.  Promo pricing is at $999, but will go to around $1299 the first part of April (when it ships).

 

The Salus-3 uses an App to display traffic/weather, which has a control panel for entering the transponder code.  For an extra $200, they have a device that goes around the transponder cable and inductively reads the code and altitude.

 

Does anyone have experience with the Salus-3?

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I remember that one.

 

The bamboo cannon is hilarious. Mainly because it won't work at all!

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I remember that one.

 

The bamboo cannon is hilarious. Mainly because it won't work at all!

 

Blasphemy!!!    :laughter-3293:

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I have an approved SkyGuard 2020 solution with an MRA from FD.  No, it's not under $1000, but it does integrate will with iFly devices.

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