CT4ME Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Press releases regarding Flight Design 2.0 https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/flight-design-confident-of-second-quarter-revival-423342/ http://flightdesign.com/wordpress/?p=5092 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cluemeister Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 thanks for the updated information! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gryphon Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 I see that Tom Peghiny says I quote “It’s tough out there right now. We are not selling our LSA’s in anything like the quantities we’d like to." America may have been getting deliveries but the rest of the world has been waiting up to 3 years and still no delivery, how long would we have had to wait if there had been greater demand 6 years ? It seems all the emphasis is on the C4, this is what has got the company into trouble in the first place and the core business of the two seater has been forgotten. Again I quote "That’s why we need to get the funding in place to complete development of the C4.” I certainly hope they can get their act into gear and start making deliveries that have been long time ordered in the order that they were ordered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralarcon Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 I see that Tom Peghiny says I quote “It’s tough out there right now. We are not selling our LSA’s in anything like the quantities we’d like to." America may have been getting deliveries but the rest of the world has been waiting up to 3 years and still no delivery, how long would we have had to wait if there had been greater demand 6 years ? It seems all the emphasis is on the C4, this is what has got the company into trouble in the first place and the core business of the two seater has been forgotten. Again I quote "That’s why we need to get the funding in place to complete development of the C4.” I certainly hope they can get their act into gear and start making deliveries that have been long time ordered in the order that they were ordered. It is never good to neglect or ignore one's core business for pie in the sky ideas. You get bad publicity that way and then you spiral down. I hope the C4 comes to fruition, properly financed. Waiting 3-4 years for an aircraft you already paid for , is unreasonable and an unwise business practice. Hope this resolves soon. And customers get what they paid for. The only way to get this result is for Flight Design to continue in business with good customer care. Flight Design Germany, has a lot to learn from Flight Design USA. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbigs Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 I see that Tom Peghiny says I quote “It’s tough out there right now. We are not selling our LSA’s in anything like the quantities we’d like to." America may have been getting deliveries but the rest of the world has been waiting up to 3 years and still no delivery, how long would we have had to wait if there had been greater demand 6 years ? It seems all the emphasis is on the C4, this is what has got the company into trouble in the first place and the core business of the two seater has been forgotten. Again I quote "That’s why we need to get the funding in place to complete development of the C4.” I certainly hope they can get their act into gear and start making deliveries that have been long time ordered in the order that they were ordered. We in the USA are all pulling for Eurpeans to get their planes. This is good news after all...the company is planning to return. First order of their business should be to make good on existing customer orders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SportFlyer1 Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 I would agree with Gryphon and Ralarcon. When I heard about the C4 development I thought Flight Design must be making so much money on the CT's that they now felt they could afford to develop a Part 23 aircraft with all the expense it entails. Also I was a little peeved that they wanted to go play with Cessna, Piper and Cirrus using the money they made on lowly sport pilots like myself. The idea to go to a 4 seat certified design has been quite trendy lately, with other light sport companies announcing new models. I never got that. The market for 4 seat certified planes is littered with dead bodies, that's one reason light sport was born. Now Tom is saying the C4 development is the way out for Flight Design. Well maybe, I hope so for them. But for me its light sport all the time. My view is FD should look for ways to bring the price tag of a CTLS down out of the stratosphere, not try to build a $273,000 plane for an iffy, unknown market. But hey, its just my opinion and my view is from the bottom looking up at aviation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishAl Posted March 26, 2016 Report Share Posted March 26, 2016 Flight Design Germany, has a lot to learn from Flight Design USA. It seems like the Germans bit off too much and choked, although, in their defence, a <1m Euro unpaid bill would play a big part in that. Great to see that they're working it out, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUnderFlier Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 "... the insolvency application has become necessary after an international customer has not settled a bill of over seven digit Euros to date. This has lead the company into a liquidity squeeze." (FD19Feb) Who knows more about this ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ct9000 Posted March 29, 2016 Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 probably just more bullshit from the fairy farm mind in charge ex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ct9000 Posted March 29, 2016 Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 I too paid in full for my LS turbo over three years ago. regular promises and lots of lies but no result. I have no faith in anything that comes from management at FD Germany. The local distributor is trying his best but is almost tearing his hair out in frustration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runtoeat Posted March 29, 2016 Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 DownUnder, click on "CT In The News" header and it will bring up all topics about the FD Germany bankruptcy. Make sure you take your anti-depressants first though. We're all hoping that those of you who have paid for but not received your CT's will be first on the list if/when the reorg might come about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Cesnalis Posted March 29, 2016 Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 I too paid in full for my LS turbo over three years ago. regular promises and lots of lies but no result. I have no faith in anything that comes from management at FD Germany. The local distributor is trying his best but is almost tearing his hair out in frustration. You bought a CTLS with a 914? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralarcon Posted March 29, 2016 Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 I too paid in full for my LS turbo over three years ago. regular promises and lots of lies but no result. I have no faith in anything that comes from management at FD Germany. The local distributor is trying his best but is almost tearing his hair out in frustration. I hope you get your aircraft as soon as this mess gets resolved. However I do not know or recall if this has been discussed before, but it sounds really " weird", to all of us customers here in the USA, that you have to pay "full price" for a factory build slot. Business practice very uncommon or acceptable here in the US. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anticept Posted March 29, 2016 Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 Echoing ralarcon's post, and in addition, if full price is required, it's a guarantee that an escrow service will be involved then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ct9000 Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 we are told that e5000 is required for initial deposit, then e25000 is required when the aeroplane is ready for the engine fitment. the balance is required when ready for shipment. These payments were all made on request from FD on time on the promise of delivery in first quarter of 2013. I was misled by a string of lies and more lies including endless updated delivery dates that were never going to be met. One reason that I believed what I was told is that when I purchased my first CTSW in 2006 it was on time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ct9000 Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 CharlieTango, it is called CTLS hlt. the hl is for high lift as it has the long wings. the t is self explanatory . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ct9000 Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 ps we don't have the 120 speed limit here in AUS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 CharlieTango, it is called CTLS hlt. the hl is for high lift as it has the long wings. the t is self explanatory . I've never heard of such a thing. It sounds pretty cool. Does it have a constant speed or in-flight adjustable prop? What are the specs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ct9000 Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 I've never heard of such a thing. It sounds pretty cool. Does it have a constant speed or in-flight adjustable prop? What are the specs? the HL is a LS with the long wings from the pre SW. Mine is fully optioned up with dynon skyview auto pilot constant speed prop garmin 795 leather seats etc. probably gunna be a bit heavy but design weight is 700 kg (1540lbs) so although limit is still 600 kg it will be ok at max. Of course I would never fly overweight because that would be illegal. It was designed for towing gliders in hot and high conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anticept Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 And for towing. Regs may get relaxed soon and allow lsa tow planes in the USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT4ME Posted April 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2016 New article from AOPA regarding the re-org and new supplier... http://www.aopa.org/News-and-Video/All-News/2016/April/01/Flight-Design-deliveries-flow-again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbigs Posted April 1, 2016 Report Share Posted April 1, 2016 Excellent! WTG Tom.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastEddieB Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 I really hope this works out. There's no fundamental reason that Taiwan cannot produce a quality product for Flight Design. Still, I think there's a certain panache to things built in Germany and Austria, and Flight Design will really have to bend over backwards that there's not even a perceived loss of quality with the move. Best of luck to them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbigs Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 I really hope this works out. There's no fundamental reason that Taiwan cannot produce a quality product for Flight Design. Still, I think there's a certain panache to things built in Germany and Austria, and Flight Design will really have to bend over backwards that there's not even a perceived loss of quality with the move. Best of luck to them! Taiwan is the world's largest maker of chips. $120 billion bucks worth per year. Some brands you might recognize from Taiwan? ASUS, ACER, D-LINK, Faraday, Foxconn (makes Apple products), Mandarin Airlines, Phalanx Biotek. Companies founded by a Taiwan national with plants in Taiwan: Garmin, Newegg, NVIDIA, Ominvision, Trend Micro, Viewsonics, Vizio, Yahoo, Youtube, Zappos The lack of quality from Ukraine was a bigger issue for FD than the superior stuff that will be coming from Taiwan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastEddieB Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 Exactly as I stated: "There's no fundamental reason that Taiwan cannot produce a quality product for Flight Design." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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