ralarcon Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 gbigs, I think everyone else knows the difference and can logically deduce when a post is related or not. Seems to me this was an eminently political speech. And this one as well. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Lee Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 Let's hope this thread doesn't degrade. The nice thing about a computer? It doesn't care if you just walk away. Now I know that doesn't work with the wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralarcon Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 Let's hope this thread doesn't degrade. The nice thing about a computer? It doesn't care if you just walk away. Now I know that doesn't work with the wife. Why ? Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredG Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 Dick, I have a similar number of landings in my CTsw (I started flying in 2008). In a way I have some difficulty describing, I find landing with 30 degrees to be more comfortable than landing with 40 degrees. As I mentioned above, I use 30 degrees unless conditions are unfavorable. I find the airplane to be a bit more unpredictable with 40 degrees of flaps (either dropping a wing or sinking faster than I want). I also find this to be true at altitude when practicing slow flight and stalls with power off. Do you find that 40 degrees is similar to 30 degrees in terms of aircraft handling and stability? Fred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runtoeat Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 Hi Fred. Your assessment of the affects to stability and handling with the use of 30 and 40 flaps is what I recall experiencing when first working with the higher flaps settings. It was some time ago and I do not recall how large of an affect this had. At the time, I was learning the basics of flying (which I am still doing) and recall thinking any differences were attributable to my technique. Another factor which resulted in my use of full flaps was my mentor and CFI has both feet firmly planted in the "full flaps" camp and he taught me to use 40 flaps but didn't feel that it was necessary to use the 30 setting. Many times I am not happy with my landings and your observation makes me think I should revisit using the 30 flaps and see if this provides improvement. In regards to stall practice, I have used mainly 40 flaps when practicing stall recovery and cannot compare the two settings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 Dick, I have a similar number of landings in my CTsw (I started flying in 2008). In a way I have some difficulty describing, I find landing with 30 degrees to be more comfortable than landing with 40 degrees. As I mentioned above, I use 30 degrees unless conditions are unfavorable. I find the airplane to be a bit more unpredictable with 40 degrees of flaps (either dropping a wing or sinking faster than I want). I also find this to be true at altitude when practicing slow flight and stalls with power off. Do you find that 40 degrees is similar to 30 degrees in terms of aircraft handling and stability? Fred That is exactly my experience as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 It's also interesting that the latest FD airplanes do not have flap settings beyond 30°. Perhaps FD came to recognize that 35° or 40° provided increased difficulty out of proportion to the benefits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredG Posted December 1, 2016 Report Share Posted December 1, 2016 Andy, regarding the elimination of 40 degree flap setting on the CTls, I have wondered the same thing. Certainly, for me, what you suggested seems to be true. Next time I fly, I will practice power-off slow flight with 40 degrees of flaps and try to better describe the experience. Fred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Baker Posted December 1, 2016 Report Share Posted December 1, 2016 Didn't Cessna eliminate 40 degree flaps on the 150 when the 152 came out? Yes, they went to 30. They also reduced to 30 on the later 172's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted December 1, 2016 Report Share Posted December 1, 2016 Yes, they went to 30. They also reduced to 30 on the later 172's. Part of that change was due to the issue with the 172s not wanting to come out of a slip at 40 flaps because of the tail getting blanked out by the flaps. I don't think the 150/152 had that problem, though I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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