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UAT is only good for U.S., as well.

 

The FAA is under a lot of pressure to approve UAS. One of the planned requirements is the ability to sense and avoid. The UAS people are likely to scream that all other aircraft need ADS-B or at least a transponder. One suspects this will all be part of the ingredients in the ADS-B equation.

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Andy, right now, the Garmin GDL88 uses your current transponder's squawk code and re-transmits this out to meet ADS-B req's. If other's follow Garmin's lead, you'll be able to take the $1,000 not needed for a ES upgrade and apply this to a ADS-B transmitter/receiver.

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Andy, right now, the Garmin GDL88 uses your current transponder's squawk code and re-transmits this out to meet ADS-B req's. If other's follow Garmin's lead, you'll be able to take the $1,000 not needed for a ES upgrade and apply this to a ADS-B transmitter/receiver.

 

I looked but could not find current pricing for the GDL88...

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FYI.

 

I contacted Garmin and Trig and inquired as to whether an Garmin AERA 795 could be used as a non-TSO'ed position source for one of their ADS-B out compliant transponders:

 

Garmin

There are no plans to enable or allow the AERA 795 as a WAAS GPS position source for ADS-B out devices to include experimental applications.

 

Thank you and best regards,

 

Aaron S.

 

Aviation Field Support Specialist

 

And from Trig:

The G795 outputs either Aviation or NMEA 0183 on RS232, so yes the TT31 will recognise the position reports. **

 

** On the topic of 2020 compliance and ‘waking up ground stations’. The U.S ADS-B network is being rolled out as we speak and although there’s a 2020 mandate in place, to access the ADS-B airspace & services, you have to have a compliant solution in place now. The only reason I’m mentioning this point is because of your GPS type. The G795 whilst will talk to the TT31, and may pick up some TIS service, does not send all the necessary accuracy & integrity parameters to the transponder and thus wouldn’t be considered compliant today. The result of this may mean that you are actually refused ADS-B airspace access or services and/or ground stations may recognise you but won’t be ‘woken up’ as you had hoped, as you’re not transmitting all the info that they need.

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Navworx has a competitor to the GDL-88 for $4K:

The ADS600-BG™ is a remote mounted Universal Access Transceiver (UAT) which transmits ADS-B OUT information, as well as, receives ADS-B IN information including ADS-B, ADS-R, TIS-B traffic and FIS-B weather. Providing multiple interfaces allows the ADS600-B to support a variety of panel-mounted EFIS/MFDs and portable displays. TSO C154c certified.

ADS600-BG™ includes internal TSO C145c certified WAAS GPS.

Standard features include an internal 5Hz GPS, RS232 channel for an external altitude encoder, RS232 and RS422 interfaces for a variety display devices, and a secure slide-lock attachment for the DB37 system connector.

Options include an ARINC 429 interface that will allow ADS-B information, including TIS-B traffic, to be displayed on devices such as the Garmin GNS 530/430. The ARINC 429 option also allows an external GPS navigator supporting the ARINC 743A standard to replace the internal GPS source.

TSO C154c certified UAT with TSO C145c certified internal WAAS GPS.

ADS600-BG™ Pricing: $3,800.00 - $4,000.00

  • Optional ARINC 429 (add $200)
  • Roving Networks WiFi Adapter (add $159)
  • UAT Ant., RAMI AV-74 [Certified Only] (add $94.99)
  • UAT Ant., Delta Pop [Experimental Only] (add $69.99)

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I installed the Skyguard ADS-B UAT transmitter in my Sting S3 and it appears to work well. I am receiving non-ADS-B traffic consistently through my GDL-39 and displayed on my 795. The installation was mounting the unit in my baggage area, taking power from my GDL-39 and sticking an antenna on my rear canopy. Technically, I don't think particular installation would be considered permanent so wouldn't require an LOA although TL-Ultralight has agreed to add it to the Sting's MEL.

 

Also, I say appears to work since I have no way of determining how the transmission is received. I just know I'm getting ground-based ADS-B transmissions with no other ADS-B equipped aircraft in the area.

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Hi Dick,

 

The Skyguard comes in three versions:

  • Receive only (think Stratus)
  • Transmit only
  • Transmit/Receive (aka in/out)

They have two different antenna:

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I went with the suction cup version which works well for my canopy.

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I think the iFly guys have done their homework. The suction antenna would work on our CT overhead skylight. Believe iFly may sell a blade type external antenna too? Forgot there's the GPS antenna. Suppose this goes up on top of the instrument panel? Can one get Bluetooth GPS antenna so it's not necessary to use a wired one? Don't mean to be a PITA with the questions but trying to get this sorted out. Appreciate the information and picture. Thanks.

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Don't know what iFly sells but I'd recommend the Delta Pop UAT blade antenna for external mount. I'm not aware of a non-wired GPS option but the products are evolving quickly. Probably best to contact them directly. Also, the transmitter cranks out pretty high power so you'll want to have the antenna around a foot away from the pilot and passenger. This may make it problematic to mount the antenna in the skylight.

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