Doug G. Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/Fly-For-Hire-Ops-Eyed-For-Light-Sport-223950-1.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT4ME Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 Neat. Maybe a little banner towing business??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 You'll still have to have a commercial ticket though, I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastEddieB Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 Good point. With the removable rear side windows, the Sky Arrow is a near perfect aerial photo platform. I know there's one in TN used to collect air samples as well. Something like... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 I'd think LSA would be naturals for pipeline and power line patrol duties. Fuel efficient, relatively fast (172+ speeds at least for many models), but also capable of very slow speeds to get a better look at problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbigs Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 You'll still have to have a commercial ticket though, I'm sure. Yes. They don't mean a sport pilot can suddenly work for hire. So the notion is nonsense since the FD is already used by the cops. I have seen the CTLS full loaded with cameras etc for a the Tulare, Co in California being worked on at Lone Mountain. http://flightdesignusa.com/2011/03/flight-design-ctls-used-for-police-patrol/ So, a commercial pilot carrying a single passenger for pay seems oddly comical...esp considering how slow LSAs are...maybe an air taxi service between airports in a big metro area? Who knows.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 Yes. They don't mean a sport pilot can suddenly work for hire. So the notion is nonsense since the FD is already used by the cops. It's not nonsense. The CTLE gets a law enforcement exemption to the FAA rules. A company that wants to run an LSA for legitimate commercial uses can't do it at all under current rules. Law enforcement is not a commercial operation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbigs Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 It's not nonsense. The CTLE gets a law enforcement exemption to the FAA rules. A company that wants to run an LSA for legitimate commercial uses can't do it at all under current rules. Law enforcement is not a commercial operation. Law Enforcement is PAID to make the flights. Sure it's commercial. The plane I saw was not a CTLE...it was a CTLS with added gear (it had CTLS on the tail). Read the article on it: http://flightdesignusa.com/2011/03/flight-design-ctls-used-for-police-patrol/ If the FAA issued an exemption for Law Enforcement it applies to the PILOT, not the aircraft. No doubt most cop pilots are privates not commercially licensed. A commercial pilot can fly anything they want and get paid. My son is a commercial hot air balloon pilot for example. He takes people up for pay in a balloon no different than any other balloon a sport pilot with the category can fly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anticept Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 Law enforcement is salary. They are paid to be law enforcement no matter what. That's why you can fly on a private ticket for law enforcement. See post http://ctflier.com/index.php?/topic/3263-light-sport-commercial-ops-coming/#entry44747 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastEddieB Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 Commercial license was a requirement for the Dade County Aviation Department. I think if one reads about Private Pilot limitations, it's reasonably clear what a Private Pilot can and cannot do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anticept Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 FastEddieB, law enforcement is exempt. I know what the limitations say, and I've brought that up in conversations, but it doesn't apply. Now that I think about it, I don't think I actually talked to the FSDO about it. Time to ask! EDIT: FSDO says commercial. Noted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug G. Posted April 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 Pipeline inspection, power line inspection, commercial photography, land assessment, flood and pre flood assessment, snow pack observation, traffic assessment... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 Commercial license was a requirement for the Dade County Aviation Department. I think if one reads about Private Pilot limitations, it's reasonably clear what a Private Pilot can and cannot do. We are talking about aircraft, not pilots. The CTLE has a law enforcement exemption to be able to operate in a commercial capacity, in spite of not being otherwise a commercial-eligible aircraft. For the purposes of AIRCRAFT, law enforcement is not commercial in my mind because they can exempt and use whatever they want. They can use Part 103 ultralights if they choose to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Baker Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 There is a AC that covers public use aircraft. If it truly is a public use operation then FAA regulations don't apply for pilot or aircraft. If it crosses into a civil operation then the FAA regulations do apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Hereford Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 As I see it, the big difference is in whether the operation is conducted for "profit" or not. A municipal law enforcement dept. would not fall under that definition. Law enforcement is NOT paid to make flights..............yet. Mr. Morden, I agree that there is a big difference between "aircraft" and "airmen", with regard to privileges (if I understand you correctly). Doug Hereford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug G. Posted April 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 The article is about planes, not pilots. UAVs are now being allowed to fly for commercial purposes. Could that be a motivating factor? The drones, to this point, are being flown by people with no sort of license at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Baker Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 The article is about planes, not pilots. UAVs are now being allowed to fly for commercial purposes. Could that be a motivating factor? The drones, to this point, are being flown by people with no sort of license at all. Actually I had a young man stop in the other day who went to Florida for 3 weeks to get his private pilot, so he could operate a drone for his company. I had another young man ask about training just a few weeks prior. To me it sounds like there are some who are going to try and follow the drone rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastEddieB Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 I was responding to this assertion: "No doubt most cop pilots are privates not commercially licensed." I think that's wrong, given the limitations of a Private Pilot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Baker Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 I was responding to this assertion: "No doubt most cop pilots are privates not commercially licensed." I think that's wrong, given the limitations of a Private Pilot. If it is a true public use operation then the pilot is not required to have a FAA issued pilot certificate. That does not stop the agency from using the FAA pilot certification system requirements for their pilots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastEddieB Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 If it is a true public use operation then the pilot is not required to have a FAA issued pilot certificate. Is that true? I'm eager to be corrected when I have something wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 A VFR commercial rating is not that hard to get if you already have a PP-ASEL rating, which a lot of us do. I'd fly photo missions for pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug G. Posted April 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 Actually I had a young man stop in the other day who went to Florida for 3 weeks to get his private pilot, so he could operate a drone for his company. I had another young man ask about training just a few weeks prior. To me it sounds like there are some who are going to try and follow the drone rules. Yes, I know someone who is getting a private pilot's license in part planning for the future of his drone business The reason companies require it is because of liability and because the high end octocopters can run $15k plus the cost of a commercial video camera (these folks don't use GoPros). It takes two people to fly them on a shoot. The pilot and the camera operator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Baker Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 Is that true? I'm eager to be corrected when I have something wrong. That is what I have been told by people operating public use aircraft. I am pretty sure the military doesn't require a civilian pilot certificate, and they are the biggest operator of public use aircraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anticept Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC_00-1_1A.pdf I might have to call the FSDO back and ask them about this AC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandpiper Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 That is what I have been told by people operating public use aircraft. I am pretty sure the military doesn't require a civilian pilot certificate, and they are the biggest operator of public use aircraft. Having been a military pilot, I am 100% sure a civilian pilot certificate is not required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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