Top Cat Posted August 6, 2015 Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 The title of the thread is "Summer Evening Cruising"…..Evening. I have 4871 hours of night flying logged, I know when it's night thanks very much. There is nothing better than a nice summer evening flight. Hope some more pictures of such flights can be posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted August 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 The title of the thread is "Summer Evening Cruising"…..Evening. I have 4871 hours of night flying logged, I know when it's night thanks very much. There is nothing better than a nice summer evening flight. Hope some more pictures of such flights can be posted. I try to make as much of my flying as possible in the early morning or the late evening. As you said, nothing better! Smooth air and cool temperatures. Here in Georgia, once the daytime convective heating starts, the ride very quickly stops being much fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S3flyer Posted August 6, 2015 Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 I happen to do a flight the same evening as everyone else in this thread (and somehow avoided flying at night ). I can't say that that I enjoyed the cool evening here in Dallas with the temperature at take-off right at 99F but it did cool off to 82F at 3K feet and the air was smooth. It was a chilly 97F when I landed, though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Baker Posted August 6, 2015 Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 Oh now you are being a little pedantic . And to answer your second question, provided there aren't any other issues (like a/c limitation), they are exercising their student pilot privileges, not their sport pilot privileges. So it comes with all the privileges and limitations of the student pilot certificate and required endorsements, including no passengers. A sport pilot transitioning to private pilot is just about the only dual pilot certificate status that I know of for the same category and class of aircraft. It is my understanding that the training for a sport pilot transitioning to private pilot comes under CFR 61.31 (d), (2), and it requires a different endorsement. The endorsements can be found in AC 61-65E. You can not hold a student pilot certificate if you are already a rated pilot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbigs Posted August 6, 2015 Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 Incorrect. FAR 1.1 defines "night": Night means the time between the end of evening civil twilight and the beginning of morning civil twilight, as published in the Air Almanac, converted to local time. No. The definition given is correct. If Civil Twilight alone were the restriction, then the Sport Pilot would be in violation at simple Civil Dusk. Keep looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S3flyer Posted August 6, 2015 Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 No. The definition given is correct. If Civil Twilight alone were the restriction, then the Sport Pilot would be in violation at simple Civil Dusk. Keep looking. Sigh. Night is the only restriction as per FAR 61.315c and night is defined as quoted above which is based on Civil Twilight alone. Civil Dusk is simply a point in time that marks the end of Civil Twilight. You are correct in that a pilot flying under SP privileges would be in violation of the restriction if they acted as PIC after Civil Dusk. 61.315 ...... © You may not act as pilot in command of a light-sport aircraft: (1) That is carrying a passenger or property for compensation or hire. (2) For compensation or hire. (3) In furtherance of a business. (4) While carrying more than one passenger. (5) At night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cat Posted August 6, 2015 Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 Night: "The time between the end of evening civil twilight and the beginning of morning civil twilight, as published in the American Air Almanac, converted to local time." That's the FAA's definition in FAR 1.1, but it's only one of many ways night is described in the Federal Aviation Regulations. When logging night flying time for private or commercial certification, follow the definition in FAR 1.1. If you need to get night current to carry passengers, follow the definition of night as described in FAR 61.57( , which is the "period beginning one hour after sunset and ending one hour before sunrise." Remember, to get night current you will need to make three takeoffs and landings to a full stop in an aircraft of the same category, class, and type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cat Posted August 6, 2015 Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 People here say that America is full of lawyers. This discussion takes that to new heights. There are those in America who just like to get their airplane out on a nice summer evening and enjoy a flight in the cooler calmer air, and hopefully enjoy a beautiful sunset before they land. There are, unfortunately, those in America who fritter away that time quibbling and fretting over when nighttime is despite having (supposedly) passed an FAA exam whereby they should already know as does everyone else they're preaching to, who likewise passed an FAA exam. Endless right fighting circular arguments or just go flying and enjoy your airplane and the benefits of the pilot license you earned? I know which I'll choose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Lee Posted August 6, 2015 Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 It's time to move on. Nitpicking over a few minutes either way is not productive or even sensible. We all know what needs to be done and it's up to each pilot to do what he needs to do and or what he wants to do. Sunset flights can be very scenic. If you have some cool looking sunset pictures while flying post them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cat Posted August 6, 2015 Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 It's time to move on. Nitpicking over a few minutes either way is not productive or even sensible. We all know what needs to be done and it's up to each pilot to do what he needs to do and or what he wants to do. Sunset flights can be very scenic. If you have some cool looking sunset pictures while flying post them. Amen to that brother!! I'd really like to see some more sunset pictures! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted August 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 Here's Brian's Avid at sunset, I took this as we were heading home after a wonderful, full day of flying: And here's the Avid again (far upper left corner) about an hour after sunrise over the foothills of the north Georgia mountains: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastEddieB Posted August 6, 2015 Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 Sunset at N Perry Airport in Hollywood FL the day I flew my Cirrus home for the first time. And more recently on a Sky Arrow flight in the N GA mountains: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted August 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 Eddie, in the second picture is that actually the sun...or the distant fires of Mt. Doom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishAl Posted August 6, 2015 Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 Please do not judge all Americans by one outlier! But I know what you mean. How can one look at a post on a pleasant evening flight and turn it into a discussion on Sport Pilot limitations and technical definitions of "night", complete with bad info, is beyond me. I love Americans! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Petersburg Posted August 8, 2015 Report Share Posted August 8, 2015 Great pictures. Thanks for sharing. I received my private pilot certificate in my 2010 CTLS in April. Attached are two photos. One is my home airport in Decorah, IA and the other is overflying the Mississippi River. I am a frequent visitor to this site. Thanks for all of your great information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZAV8OR Posted August 9, 2015 Report Share Posted August 9, 2015 I try to make as much of my flying as possible in the early morning or the late evening. As you said, nothing better! Smooth air and cool temperatures. Here in Georgia, once the daytime convective heating starts, the ride very quickly stops being much fun. You should experience an August afternoon here in the desert Southwest. I shoot for having 3WT back in the barn by 930-1000. Beyond that, the ramp liquefies. And when the thermals start booming, climbing at idle power is not uncommon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cat Posted August 9, 2015 Report Share Posted August 9, 2015 You should experience an August afternoon here in the desert Southwest. I shoot for having 3WT back in the barn by 930-1000. Beyond that, the ramp liquefies. And when the thermals start booming, climbing at idle power is not uncommon! Last year I flew from KTUS to KELP in July! I was going to layover in TUS as it was mid-day and 109F however Million Air weren't very accommodating for my LSA so I decided to continue to ELP. Needless to say I got continuous moderate turbulence all the way! The folks at ELP were great and I was glad to get a shower and a cold one at the hotel! It was the only time I didn't follow the 'early start, land before noon' rule on the trip across the country. Ouch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZAV8OR Posted August 9, 2015 Report Share Posted August 9, 2015 Last year I flew from KTUS to KELP in July! I was going to layover in TUS as it was mid-day and 109F however Million Air weren't very accommodating for my LSA so I decided to continue to ELP. Needless to say I got continuous moderate turbulence all the way!The folks at ELP were great and I was glad to get a shower and a cold one at the hotel!It was the only time I didn't follow the 'early start, land before noon' rule on the trip across the country. Ouch! I'm certainly sorry you got the cold shoulder from the people at Million Air. As a proud Arizonan, it irks me to hear we gave a visitor a reason to continue on to New Mexico. If you pass through again, please give me notice; I will ensure that you leave our state with a better perspective! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted August 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2015 You should experience an August afternoon here in the desert Southwest. I shoot for having 3WT back in the barn by 930-1000. Beyond that, the ramp liquefies. And when the thermals start booming, climbing at idle power is not uncommon! I *love* the desert. That's one of the reasons I'm going to Page this year, so I can experience it from the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZAV8OR Posted August 9, 2015 Report Share Posted August 9, 2015 I *love* the desert. That's one of the reasons I'm going to Page this year, so I can experience it from the air. I wish we were joining you in Page this year, but I neglected to check the dates of the fly in when we planned a Fall week in Boston. Next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Jefts Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 Million Air in Tucson is no longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cat Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 Million Air in Tucson is no longer. What happened to them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S3flyer Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 A bit of a hazy evening in Dallas but with light winds and a relative cold front, it was a great time to be out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted August 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 A bit of a hazy evening in Dallas but with light winds and a relative cold front, it was a great time to be out. Ha, that's not hazy! Come up to the Atlanta area, we'll show you haze that is practically IMC! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastEddieB Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 There's a reason they're called the Smoky Mountains! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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