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We ordered an iPad Pro for Karen last Wed when it became available, and it arrived Friday. Got it set up last night.

 

Boy, it really is HUGE!

 

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What you see here is my late 2008 15" MacBook Pro, her new iPad Pro, her iPad Air 2 and my iPad Mini Retina.

 

I'm suspecting the Pro might be a bit large for everyday use, but will be great for media consumption. The speakers sound a lot better than the other iPads.

 

The plan was for me to inherit her iPad Air 2 for around the house use, keeping the Mini for aircraft and traveling use. That may or may not work out now - we'll see.

 

Aviation related, it's kinda large for cockpit use but might be squeezed in somehow. Might function well in an Experimental as a PFD/MFD/Navigator or some such.

 

Still, amazing times and it's great having such a wide selection of screen sizes.

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With a dock, panel mounted in an Experimental next to a Skyview or other EFIS, it would make an EPIC moving-map nav device!

 

I want the Pro, but can't figure any way one could fit in my cockpit comfortably.  Looks when I upgrade my older iPad it will be to an Air 2.

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With a dock, panel mounted in an Experimental next to a Skyview or other EFIS, it would make an EPIC moving-map nav device!

 

I want the Pro, but can't figure any way one could fit in my cockpit comfortably.  Looks when I upgrade my older iPad it will be to an Air 2.

 

At 13 inches It's WAY too big for the cockpit.  And you are gonna pay a LOT of extra bucks because it isn't just a tablet - it's trying to compete with MS Surface as a laptop combo.  The prices are 800 and 1200 dependent on if you get a keyboard.

 

Here are a few bullets on the new iPad versus the MS Surface when comparing them as tablet/laptop wannabeez:

 

- iOS isn't ready to compete with Windows 10 as a 2-in-1 operating system

- MS Surfaces have trackpads, USB ports, SD readers. The iPad Pro has one Lightning port.

- iOS has no handwriting recognition

 

Many are moving to Android tablets and Avare/Garmin Pilot/AvNav EFB/ForeFlight versus the iPad in the cockpit.  The Nexus for example has a better screen in sunlight than the iPads.   Most of the Android tablets have GPS built-in instead of adding it on, are faster, cheaper and more robust. 

 

The Nexus  is 9 inches and is under $300.

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The fact is that Android tablets are fine, I own one.  BUT the aviation apps are less mature to the point of almost being pitiful.  iOS is much better suited to pilot duties.  

 

Burgers, do you use a tablet in the cockpit?  You have decried them as "not aviation worthy" in the past.  A serious question, not a dig.

 

I'm with Mickey, a 13" iPad covering the whole right side would be fine with me.  I'd just have to find a place to remount my analog engine gauges and hobbs meter.  About the only way I could do it would be to lose the backup airpseed and altimeter I have under my D-100, so I probably would not do that.

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At 13 inches It's WAY too big for the cockpit.  And you are gonna pay a LOT of extra bucks because it isn't just a tablet - it's trying to compete with MS Surface as a laptop combo.  The prices are 800 and 1200 dependent on if you get a keyboard.

 

Here are a few bullets on the new iPad versus the MS Surface when comparing them as tablet/laptop wannabeez:

 

- iOS isn't ready to compete with Windows 10 as a 2-in-1 operating system

- MS Surfaces have trackpads, USB ports, SD readers. The iPad Pro has one Lightning port.

- iOS has no handwriting recognition

 

Many are moving to Android tablets and Avare/Garmin Pilot/AvNav EFB/ForeFlight versus the iPad in the cockpit.  The Nexus for example has a better screen in sunlight than the iPads.   Most of the Android tablets have GPS built-in instead of adding it on, are faster, cheaper and more robust. 

 

The Nexus  is 9 inches and is under $300.

I think as you work on your instrument rating, an iPad of some sort will be essential for the approach plates and other things.  While the Cirrus's have plates on the MFD, I find the layout very awkward (lots of scrolling or view changes), and often times you'll need the MFD for something else.  Also, you'll want a backup.  Finally, given that you'll be someday be flying in IMC, and the Cirrus is all electric, you'll want something for PFD backup in the event of a total electric failure, such as an electrical fire.  Foreflight, on the iPad mini, with the Stratus 2 (for AHRS) is a great way to go. 

 

Andy

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I think as you work on your instrument rating, an iPad of some sort will be essential for the approach plates and other things.  While the Cirrus's have plates on the MFD, I find the layout very awkward (lots of scrolling or view changes), and often times you'll need the MFD for something else.  Also, you'll want a backup.  Finally, given that you'll be someday be flying in IMC, and the Cirrus is all electric, you'll want something for PFD backup in the event of a total electric failure, such as an electrical fire.  Foreflight, on the iPad mini, with the Stratus 2 (for AHRS) is a great way to go. 

 

Andy

 

I am using a Nexus 9 32gb LTE with anti-glare gorilla glass and Garmin Pilot for charts and logbook....it's fantastic.     http://www.techtimes.com/articles/70878/20150722/expansys-usa-now-sells-nexus-9-lte-for-just-340.htm

 

The Garmin Pilot is directly compatible with the G1000 deck.  It's on my knee where I use it to note clearances and frequencies..

 

We were already flying with a Samsung Note5 with Avare on it.  We used that in the Flight Design as a backup and it worked great.

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I am using a Nexus 9 32gb LTE with anti-glare gorilla glass and Garmin Pilot for charts and logbook....it's fantastic.     http://www.techtimes.com/articles/70878/20150722/expansys-usa-now-sells-nexus-9-lte-for-just-340.htm

 

The Garmin Pilot is directly compatible with the G1000 deck.  It's on my knee where I use it to note clearances and frequencies..

 

We were already flying with a Samsung Note5 with Avare on it.  We used that in the Flight Design as a backup and it worked great.

There's more to it than you've laid out, but it sounds like you're pretty resolute in your plan.

 

Andy

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There's more to it than you've laid out, but it sounds like you're pretty resolute in your plan.

 

Andy

 

More to what?  Using a tablet as an EFB is about as simple as it gets.  Using an Apple tablet is not the best way to go.

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More to what?  Using a tablet as an EFB is about as simple as it gets.  Using an Apple tablet is not the best way to go.

 

What is your basis for that?  Since about 75% of pilots use an iOS device, what makes you sure they are all wrong?

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I have an iPhone 6+. It is just on the verge of being too large, especially in my Otterbox case.

 

But for me, it's worth it. It's big enough so in the car I can read WAZE alerts without my readers. The extra screen real estate is great when surfing the web. And it is big enough in a pinch to serve as an MFD in the cockpit.

 

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It easily fits in the hip pocket of my jeans. Be a bit large in a front pocket, but might work with a slimmer case.

 

If I had to do it over, I would still choose the 6+.

 

Oh, and if you already have an iPad, the two will sync via iCloud, which is very handy.

 

 

As an aside, if I don't seem to respond to certain posts, you may notice a pattern - and it involves the "Ignore" function.

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I was happy with my Nexus7 but when my phone died and I got a new Galaxy it came with a free tablet that is far better than the Nexus.

 

I am content with droidEFB

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FWIW, I got rid of my Android phone and went to Apple iPhone 6 because of a couple of apps that were only available for the iPhone. I miss the abilities of the Android.

(This is not a comment on the aviation apps or use in the cockpit - just a general comment.)

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What is your basis for that?  Since about 75% of pilots use an iOS device, what makes you sure they are all wrong?

 

Where do you get 75% from can you provide a link to that survey? 

 

Apple products are for non-technical types who either have not, or are unable to compare devices objectively.  If they did, Apple would have no sales.

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Where do you get 75% from can you provide a link to that survey? 

 

Apple products are for non-technical types who either have not, or are unable to compare devices objectively.  If they did, Apple would have no sales.

 

Samsung, Microsoft and Google make better products for less money.

It goes further than the hardware, the apps make a big difference.  Peripheral hardware as well. Once you have your IFR rating, some good instrument experience, and flight time in your Cirrus, you might have a different perspective.  You don't know what you don't know.

 

Andy

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It goes further than the hardware, the apps make a big difference.  Peripheral hardware as well. Once you have your IFR rating, some good instrument experience, and flight time in your Cirrus, you might have a different perspective.  You don't know what you don't know.

 

Andy

 

The tablet is strictly for EFB...plates, FP filing, note taking (paper substitute).  The Nexus with Garmin Pilot and Avare do those things well.  I have no intention of ever needing or wanting to use the tablet for navigation, weather or any other off panel nonsense.   Once I get my instrument ticket I will make no change. 

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Where do you get 75% from can you provide a link to that survey? 

 

Apple products are for non-technical types who either have not, or are unable to compare devices objectively.  If they did, Apple would have no sales.

 

Interesting.  My entire IT organization has a choice of platforms, they overwhelmingly choose Macs because it's simply BSD Unix with an interface wrapper, so they can get to a Unix command line and do technical work.

 

It's true that Apple corrals their users into doing things "their way".  That does not mean the devices are unsuitable for technical work.  And we are not talking about technical work anyway, we're talking about use in a cockpit for flight and planning tasks, not writing code.  I have both an Android phone and an iPad, both running Garmin Pilot.  The Apple version is far more mature and has more features.

 

The 75% number comes from experience.  Look in cockpits around Oshkosh at what people are using.  You'll see iPads everywhere, I can count on one hand the number of people I saw using Droid tablets.  There is nothing wrong with them, but the software is not as mature, and they tend to crash more because developers have to write to dozens of devices and hardware instead of one very limited set.

 

To say they are unsuitable for the task is ridiculous, akin to saying the Cessna 172 will never fly.

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Where do you get 75% from can you provide a link to that survey? 

 

Apple products are for non-technical types who either have not, or are unable to compare devices objectively.  If they did, Apple would have no sales.

 

Do YOU have a link to that statement or is it just personal bias?

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Do YOU have a link to that statement or is it just personal bias?

 

Link to what?  That Apple makes over priced, inferior products to Microsoft, Google and Samsung?   Read the reviews and leave the cup of Apple koolaide on the table when you do...   The Microsoft Surface 4 with Windows 10 has no competition from Apple iPad Pro (in fact the Pro doesn't even pretend to be a serious business machine).  The Samsung Galaxys get editors choice everytime.  The Google Android devices are ubiquitous and together have a larger installed base than IOS.

 

It was Morden who contends 75% of pilots with a tablet in the cockpit are using an iPad.  I'd like to see his source for that statement.

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Link to what?  That Apple makes over priced, inferior products to Microsoft, Google and Samsung?   Read the reviews and leave the cup of Apple koolaide on the table when you do...   The Microsoft Surface 4 with Windows 10 has no competition from Apple iPad Pro (in fact the Pro doesn't even pretend to be a serious business machine).  The Samsung Galaxy gets editors choice everytime.  The Google Android devices are ubiquitous and together have a larger installed base than IOS.

 

It was Morden who contends 75% of pilots with a tablet in the cockpit are using an iPad.  I'd like to see his source for that statement.

 

Link to what?

 

You make a totally biased and bigoted personal attack (again) and seem amazed that anyone would dare think otherwise.

 

You demand that Andy provide a link to the post HE made, and then you proceed to do exactly the same thing..and can't understand being asked to provide a link to back-up your own statement!

 

How about a link to:-

 

"That Apple makes over priced, inferior products to Microsoft, Google and Samsung?"

 

The link to the statement you made:

 

"Apple products are for non-technical types who either have not, or are unable to compare devices objectively."

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I have an iPhone 6+. It is just on the verge of being too large, especially in my Otterbox case.

 

But for me, it's worth it. It's big enough so in the car I can read WAZE alerts without my readers. The extra screen real estate is great when surfing the web. And it is big enough in a pinch to serve as an MFD in the cockpit.

 

16063306597_bedf108a5b_c.jpg

 

It easily fits in the hip pocket of my jeans. Be a bit large in a front pocket, but might work with a slimmer case.

 

If I had to do it over, I would still choose the 6+.

 

Oh, and if you already have an iPad, the two will sync via iCloud, which is very handy.

 

 

As an aside, if I don't seem to respond to certain posts, you may notice a pattern - and it involves the "Ignore" function.

 Do you like it better than the iPad mini?

 

I'm sure Karen may have thought,(as you strolled across the ramp)…."Is that an iPhone 6 Plus in your front pocket…or are you just happy to see me?" :giggle-3307:   (based on a quote by Mae West!)

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I'm always happy to see Karen!

 

The iPhone 6+ would be fine, but for one thing...Hilton Software still runs a stripped down UI on the phones, and I much prefer the iPad interface.

 

I've requested several times that they allow the 6 and 6+ to have an "iPad Emulation Mode", but to no avail.

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I'm a recent convert to iFly after 4+ years of Foreflight on iPhone/iPad and one of the reasons was that it has the same interface across all platforms and the same functionality.  Another factor was the ability to run iFly on my Surface.  I do think Foreflight is a better product but all not by much.

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