Rodney Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 This is just for everyone's general information. I ran across these while looking for floats the other night. Now Available for Rotax® Engines Does your Bing™ carburetor float sink? Meet the new unsinkable float from Marvel Schebler! We march right past the status quo, which is why we are excited to extend our state of the art epoxy floats to the Bing carburetor line for Rotax engines. These solid, one-piece blue epoxy floats will not leak, absorb fuel or break apart like the micro-bubble foam float competitors. Our floats can withstand extreme temperature changes and are truly unsinkable when exposed to the elements! The Marvel Schebler MS80-430 blue floats are direct replacements for the existing Bing floats P/N 861-184. For more information, please view our video at Blue Epoxy Float Innovation. Marvel Schebler is offering our state-of-the-art blue epoxy float direct to you at a price of just $125.00. Click here to order online now. The cost is $125.00 for a PAIR of floats. I have verified this with MS. I have no connection with MS - just wanted to pass this on to fellow Rotax owners. Rodney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdarza Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 Am probably in the market to change out my floats (seeing a minute amount of peeling/flaking) Hmmm different websites list different part numbers (Rotax though) and most of all huge price differences - i like the $49/pair that i saw compared to a high of $150 but this leads me to question what the heck is going on and am i getting a inferior product for $49 ? I actually saw a $300/pr but i emailed them to question the possible pricing error Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Lee Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 Clean the outside coating flake off and keep using them. The outside coating has nothing to do with their floating or fuel absorption. I have been cleaning the flake off for almost 20 years without any issues. You could take a key and poke a bunch of dents in the float and it wouldn't make any difference. The hundreds of thousands of tiny bubbles that make up the float are all self sealed. So a damaged bubble does not affect the bubble next to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anticept Posted September 20, 2018 Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 Marvel Schebler is a very, very damn good carb manufacturer in my experience. I would trust parts from them. Not in an S-LSA mind you (not worth the legal headache) but I'd recommend their parts to anyone running experimental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted September 20, 2018 Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 $250 for both carbs. Pricey. I have had no issues with the new factory floats (or the old ones, for that matter). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warmi Posted September 20, 2018 Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 So for a LSA , if I wanted to replace these floats, I would have to get either some kind of LOA from the manufacturer , or more likely, Rotax would have to approve it , since most manufacturers defer this type of decisions to Rotax ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Baker Posted September 20, 2018 Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 35 minutes ago, Warmi said: So for a LSA , if I wanted to replace these floats, I would have to get either some kind of LOA from the manufacturer , or more likely, Rotax would have to approve it , since most manufacturers defer this type of decisions to Rotax ? Yes, for a LSA with an airworthiness certificate in the special light sport category. I suspect some aircraft manufactures would be more willing to grant approval than others. I don't see a FAA-PMA approval, so I would say no to use in standard category aircraft, and I am not aware of any standard category LSA that use Rotax engines. That leaves the Rotax powered experimental market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
procharger Posted September 20, 2018 Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 What do floats cost from a BMW motorcycle dealer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madhatter Posted September 27, 2018 Report Share Posted September 27, 2018 Most carburetor equipped certified aircraft have Marvel Schebler carbs. Thats a lot of experience since 1928. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted September 27, 2018 Report Share Posted September 27, 2018 On 9/20/2018 at 6:11 PM, procharger said: What do floats cost from a BMW motorcycle dealer? I don't know, but if you have an SLSA you can't use them unless they have a Rotax part number matching the ones originally installed in your airplane, unless that has been changed by a SB or other factory document. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anticept Posted September 28, 2018 Report Share Posted September 28, 2018 The floats used in our carbs is different from some of the ones used in motorcycles. We've got two piece foam, many motorcycles have a 1 piece assembly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
procharger Posted September 28, 2018 Report Share Posted September 28, 2018 WE HAVE A LIMITED SUPPLY OF FACTORY NEW 64/32/405 CV RIGHT SIDE CARBURETORS WITH ALCOHOL RESISTANT FLOAT SYSTEM @ $300.00 - CLICK VIEW DETAILS ABOVE AND CHOOSE 64/32/405 BMW carbs. same as we use Different jets and stuff I just called BMW dealer near me Bing. 64 floats $34 per set or pair. EARLY R75/5 BMW motorcycle Bing CV carburetors, 64/32/1 ... www.bmwmotorcycletech.info/earlybingR75CV.htm Later model carburetors worked fairly well; they incorporated some of the things Bing & BMW recommended for the original carburetors, plus passageways changes, & much more. The final modifications & production changes on the R75/5 carburetors led to the first carburetors that generally worked quite well & were repeatable in operation, having model numbers 64/32/9 & 64/32/10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Baker Posted September 28, 2018 Report Share Posted September 28, 2018 IIRC the motor cycle floats had issues too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
procharger Posted September 28, 2018 Report Share Posted September 28, 2018 Well if I can get floats for 34 verses 130 or whatever they are, I know which ones I am buying. They perform the same way, why would I buy from Lockwood or somewhere else. Don't tell me they are made different for airplanes. I worked on motorcycles 15 years for a living including BMW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 i have 861188 new float for 914 Engine. can i use this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Lee Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 Yes. The 861-188 is the newest version of floats for the 912's and 914 engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 861-184 as mentioned, The color is blue. part number is different. what about this product? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Lee Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 These have just come about. No mass distribution and major use to see how they will hold up. They aren't approved by Rotax or FD. You'd be on your own and if the mechanic was a stickler for protocol may not approve your annual with them. An ELSA is different of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Baker Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 I just did my Rotax recurrent training, and we talked about them in class. Eric said that they are at the 7 gram limit new, and don't do well in auto fuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug G. Posted November 4, 2018 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 On 10/23/2018 at 9:53 PM, Tom Baker said: I just did my Rotax recurrent training, and we talked about them in class. Eric said that they are at the 7 gram limit new, and don't do well in auto fuel. Based on what? If they just came out how much data does he have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
procharger Posted November 4, 2018 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 If they don't do well in auto fuel what are they made for floating in the pool? http://bingcarburetor.com/store/p73/ALCOHOL_RESISTANT_FLOAT_%26_BOWL_KIT.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandpiper Posted November 5, 2018 Report Share Posted November 5, 2018 There is some discussion of problems on vansairforce.com in the RV-12 section. Worth checking out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Baker Posted November 5, 2018 Report Share Posted November 5, 2018 6 hours ago, Doug G. said: Based on what? If they just came out how much data does he have? Doug, the floats for the Bing carbs are new, but the material is not. They have been using the same material for other carburetors for quite some time now. I think his opinion was based on issues with those floats while using auto fuel, especially auto fuel with ethanol in the other carbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Baker Posted November 5, 2018 Report Share Posted November 5, 2018 3 hours ago, procharger said: If they don't do well in auto fuel what are they made for floating in the pool? http://bingcarburetor.com/store/p73/ALCOHOL_RESISTANT_FLOAT_%26_BOWL_KIT.html I was speaking about the Marvel Schebler floats, not the Bing floats you linked to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david Posted November 5, 2018 Report Share Posted November 5, 2018 Has Rotax 914 floats pt no 861188 and adjust bracket any chemical reaction with 100 LL fuel.?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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