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Well, good luck to FD then - they had enough trouble staying afloat without getting into this expensive certification business but hey ... it is their investors money after all ...:-)

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Again, purely from a business and plane value perspective, it is a very good move for them, and for all CT owners as the intro of the "F" firms up their commitment to the fleet.  Adding more safety features (anti spin, air bags, improved handling and IFR capability) is a smart vision for the Company. I may trade up to the 4 seater with the 915 in a few years, perhaps not as a true 4 passenger plane, but I can fly IFR, and put a couple of folding bikes in the back.  This plane is a solid model end point to my training and future mission needs.

The "modular" aspect of their plan is powerful.  Meaning, they have a singular airframe (built on an assembly line) and when the airframe comes into the finishing area the Customer chooses 4 seats or 2, 912i or 915i, IFR package or VFR and so on... which lowers manufacturing costs dramatically.  I wouldn't be surprised if they have plans to tap their China links for Carbon Fiber layup work which is VERY expensive (either robotic or hand layup).

Now if they can only work on the "looks" of the nose... it is a face only a mother could love...

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7 hours ago, Warmi said:

Well, good luck to FD then - they had enough trouble staying afloat without getting into this expensive certification business but hey ... it is their investors money after all ...:-)

They were already in the type certification business before the financial problems. It was likely a factor in the problems, but not the only factor.

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11 hours ago, Ben2k9 said:

Very cool. I like it’s appearance. 

Even the duckbill intake under the prop?  That looks like an afterthought, and makes for a face only a mother could love...

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Low wings are sexy looking and designing a hi wing that looks good is tough to do.  Flight Design did very well up until now.  The cartoonist lines of the molded composite CT worked well but are not surviving this evolution well at all.

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I must have the record of earning the most downvotes on this lovely forum...; )... what a coward that guy is.  To the moderators, if there is a moderator, get rid of that feature please.  No wonder there are so few participants here.  

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2 hours ago, Ed Cesnalis said:

Low wings are sexy looking and designing a hi wing that looks good is tough to do.  Flight Design did very well up until now.  The cartoonist lines of the molded composite CT worked well but are not surviving this evolution well at all.

I concur with you, Ed.

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will the F2 still be LSA in the US?  seems like a bigger airplane.

I wonder what the price per unit would be if 20 of us were to go buy F2s or F4s in one batch order... lack of volume is what keeps prices so high.

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1 hour ago, iaw4 said:

 

will the F2 still be LSA in the US?  seems like a bigger airplane.

I wonder what the price per unit would be if 20 of us were to go buy F2s or F4s in one batch order... lack of volume is what keeps prices so high.

/iaw

 

If you can find 20 people on this forum that can afford to buy brand new F2/F4s, then I should probably leave because this company is too rich for me!  😁

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It won’t be - I think just 20 units is not enough for any sort of significant discount like that ...

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I know.  I was just dreaming.  the Vans RV-12iS is about $100,000 and $150,000 assembled/built.  I wonder at what wholesale price dealers are receiving CTLSi's.  of course, they take quite a bit of risk and have to invest into showrooms, etc.

I am going to guess that a large aspect of the reasonable prices of cessna and pipers 50 years ago was that they could be mass-produced on assembly lines.  it had to be two for some competition.  it couldn't have been 100 to fragment the market into so many small vendors that none had great economies of scale.

I hope to be able to buy a used F2 in about 10 years.  The more new ones get sold, the better it is.

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From my experience most businesses shoot for a 20% margin.

I bought my CTLS tp train and build hours and then transition to a 140 knot 4 seater probably in 3-4 years or so.  I hope the F4 is out and doing well by then.

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