TheFrisco Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 So here is the current panel setup, good 2008 setup, mostly works except the HS34. Being new to this plane and flying in general, but very much someone that likes, uses and works in tech, I remain VERY CONFUSED with the aviation options out there. So I thought I start a thread here asking WHAT'S A GOOD REPLACEMENT SETUP FOR THE CENTER STACK? So here are my questions ... What about the integrated GPS/COM stack? Do I need 2 or do I get away with 1 Garmin 530 for example? What do I get with a newer GPS compared to my ForeFlight Sentry WAAS setup? Is there integrated units that do Transponder/GPS/COM all in one? What abilities do I loose with just adding one of the wireless light ADS-B solutions? And lastly, ForeFlight/Sentry has more features, and is easier to use than all the above. So how does that influence your decisions and choices? I am so curious to hear and see, please SHARE PICS of your updated stacks, especially with the ADS-B mandate around the corner. Thanks for humoring me, and probably others too, Robert aka TheFrisco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben2k9 Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 I have the iFly740b for the GPS, and the SkyguardTWX for ADSB in/out plus WAAS GPS source. I like how the iFly has VFR charts i can use for map. works great, and pretty cost efficient. my iPad links up to the sky guards WiFi signal if needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 My center stack looks identical to Ben2k9, with the iFly GPS and Garmin radio/transponder. I have a Garmin GDL-82 ADS-B solution behind the right side panel. It's not the cheapest ADS-B, but not the most expensive either and dirt simple to install. I did it myself in under four hours using a prefab wiring harness from Aircraft Spruce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercity Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 One of our CT's has a GDL 39 into the 696 for IN, Uavionix Echo ESX 1090ES Out. Our other will get its Garmin 330 updated to a 330ES with a GPS20a WAAS receiver and a GDL39 IN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okent Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 My panel is just like Ben2k9. Gdl-82 for out, Gdl-39 into 696 for in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFrisco Posted November 1, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 I guess I don't see anyone putting in a Garmin 430/530 or the newer 650/750, or an Avidyne 440/540 or something to that effect. Too expensive? Not worth it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warmi Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 If just fly VFR , there is nothing these integrated ( and certified ) GPS offer over your basic 796 or so, especially if you already have SL 30 nav/com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFrisco Posted November 1, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Warmi said: If just fly VFR , there is nothing these integrated ( and certified ) GPS offer over your basic 796 or so, especially if you already have SL 30 nav/com I remain confused in this topic despite much online reading ... Can I file an IFR plan in a CT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Baker Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 5 hours ago, TheFrisco said: I remain confused in this topic despite much online reading ... Can I file an IFR plan in a CT? Yes, you can file an IFR flight plan in a CT provided you have the navigation equipment required for the flight, and have a current altimeter, static, and transponder checks performed. Depending on when the airplane was built you may or may not be legal to fly in IMC. Personally I would not fly a CT in IMC regardless of the legality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyjr Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 27 minutes ago, Tom Baker said: Yes, you can file an IFR flight plan in a CT provided you have the navigation equipment required for the flight, and have a current altimeter, static, and transponder checks performed. Depending on when the airplane was built you may or may not be legal to fly in IMC. Personally I would not fly a CT in IMC regardless of the legality. Tom do you know what the date/serial number cut off is for legally flying IMC? Asking because my goal is to get my instrument rating and if I could do that in the CT without converting to E-LSA and fly IMC (to me IMC would be nothing more than the local marine layer we get on the coast during the summers) This plane would fit my mission for a lot longer that I thought. We have a bunch of coastal airports that are difficult to access in the summer due to the marine layer, fairly thin at about 1 to 200 feet on average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Baker Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 It was sometime in 2010, but I don't know the date without digging. You can still do your instrument training in the later CT's, but they are placarded flight in IMC prohibited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFrisco Posted November 2, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2019 20 hours ago, Tom Baker said: Yes, you can file an IFR flight plan in a CT provided you have the navigation equipment required for the flight, and have a current altimeter, static, and transponder checks performed. Depending on when the airplane was built you may or may not be legal to fly in IMC. Personally I would not fly a CT in IMC regardless of the legality. Tom - 3 questions ... Can you determine by looking at my cockpit above if that's sufficient instruments? And yes I know checks are a separate story. If it's a 2008 CTLS, does that mean I can fly into IMC or not? Can I train and get my IFR check ride in my CTLS if above is covered? Thanks Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Baker Posted November 2, 2019 Report Share Posted November 2, 2019 11 minutes ago, TheFrisco said: Tom - 3 questions ... Can you determine by looking at my cockpit above if that's sufficient instruments? And yes I know checks are a separate story. If it's a 2008 CTLS, does that mean I can fly into IMC or not? Can I train and get my IFR check ride in my CTLS if above is covered? Thanks Robert The determination on the instruments needs to be made by the pilot base on the facilities available. I know of one 2008/9 CTLS with a Garmin 430 that was used as an IFR trainer, and they did fly it in IMC. You might check with Tim Busch at Iowa Flight Training about using the CT for IFR training. Regardless of whether you can fly in IMC or not the CTLS can be used for IFR flight training all the way up to and including the checkride. You just need to make sure it meets the minimum instrument requirements for IFR flight listed in 91.205. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okent Posted November 3, 2019 Report Share Posted November 3, 2019 I've thought of doing the same with mine but no nav/com and no heated pitot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandpiper Posted November 3, 2019 Report Share Posted November 3, 2019 On 11/1/2019 at 1:52 PM, Tom Baker said: Personally I would not fly a CT in IMC regardless of the legality. Tom - I agree 100%. In the Army I flew Huey helicopters IMC. No SAS, no autopilot but a two pilot operation. Partial panel was a true emergency but we practiced frequently and were proficient at it. Still, I would not fly my CTSW into IMC even if equipped. Train for IFR in VMC, yes. IMC, no. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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