Odonata Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 Has anybody had experience with fixing the trim tab with service bulletin SB-ASTM-CTSW-07 DATE 30-Nov-2009 The CTSW that I purchased recently has a serial number involved with that and the work was never done. I'm just curious if anybody remembers what they did when they fix theirs? I don't really notice much of a vibration. Thanks Odonata Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Baker Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 I am pretty sure this one that I did a year or so ago on an airplane that was just outside the serial number range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odonata Posted November 21, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 Thanks for your reply. Did you get parts from Flight Design and did you have to remove the whole stabilator from the plane? I have my A&P working on it trying to figure out what to do with Flight Design. The instructions on what to do are not very clear. My CT only has about 240 hours. And was always in a hangar and very new condition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skunkworks85 Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 Tom is talking about my AC, Here is the SI for the trim tab reinforcement. Yes, you need to remove the stabilator SI-ASTM-CTSW-04.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 I had the work done on my 07 CTSW. I sent it back to FD-USA and had them do it. It wasn't cheap, but it could have been worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odonata Posted November 21, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 Thank you very much for your response. This looks very complicated and time-consuming. I need to forward this to my A and P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skunkworks85 Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 Just now, Odonata said: Thank you very much for your response. This looks very complicated and time-consuming. I need to forward this to my A and P. You can get the parts from fd USA. They have the molds to make the wall stiffiners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odonata Posted November 21, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 Thanks all who have been responding. I've learned more in the last five minutes and I have in the last 2 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandpiper Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 Living on the left coast I drove my stab to Lone Mountain Aviation in Las Vegas. Thought was I could spend some time on the strip winning enough money to pay for the repair. That didn't end well. They don't keep all those lights on by giving away money! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Baker Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 If you want I can look back and see how many hours it took. Don't be afraid of removing the stabilator, as that is only a 20 minute job. Four nuts and two bolts. Drilling the stainless rivets is not fun. The repair was not that hard if you are familiar with composites. There are a couple places down there in Florida that can do the composite stuff if your mechanic is not comfortable with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odonata Posted November 21, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 Thanks for the heads up on the removal. Could you give me the names of the composite places that may be able to handle this? I could save money in crating and freight cost by delivering it myself in Florida. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runtoeat Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 I also had my stab reinforcement done. This was done at me local shop which obtained repair authorizion from FD. I made a bench fixture to hold the stab with offsetting balance arm and weight attached. Also, a "tool" to press the spring to release the stab rod. Pictures attached. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Baker Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 I'm pretty sure Lockwood can do the repair. The other would be Tad Olmsted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Baker Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 I was told that we would need to balance the stabilator when done with the repair, but buried in the instructions that the repair alone was not a big enough change, and did not require balancing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odonata Posted November 21, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 Thanks for the names. I talk to Lockwood frequently but didn't know they did composite work. My A&P said he knows somebody over in New Smyrna but did not give me the name yet. I think I will definitely let the people with composite experience do the work. Where is Tad out of? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odonata Posted November 21, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 Interesting photos and input from Runtoeat. What part of the country are you in? I need to show your photos to my mechanic because we will be removing and then taking the stab to composite shop. Hopefully there is someone within one to two hundred miles of Orlando. We may have some more questions when my mechanic looks at your photos. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Baker Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 5 hours ago, Odonata said: Where is Tad out of? Not sure where Tad is now. He used to work for Lockwood, then had his own shop at Sebring, but he has moved from there. You might reach out to some of the Florida CT owners, like Bill Ince (Wmince) here on the forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odonata Posted November 24, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2021 On 11/22/2021 at 1:13 PM, WmInce said: Just got off the phone with Tad Olmstead (T.O.M.I. Aircraft Services, Deland, Florida). He advised me he was no longer in business and does not perform aviation services any more. Said his business could not withstand the COVID lockdown and he had to fold up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odonata Posted November 24, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2021 Thanks for the heads up on pad. I'll contact Lockwood after the holidays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlennM Posted November 25, 2021 Report Share Posted November 25, 2021 I am.not sure if Lockwood still has anyone for composites. Mine was done by a composites expert from Flight Design out of Germany. Where do you keep your plane? I am based at X21 Arthur Dunn in Titusville. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Lee Posted November 25, 2021 Report Share Posted November 25, 2021 Lone Mountain Aviation at the north Las Vegas airfield which is an FD service center used to do them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runtoeat Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 Midwest Skysports here in Michigan does composite repair. A high quality shop. They are approved to repair Sirus and Flight Design. They currently build and sell Slingsport aircraft. Very expensive but they are beautiful aircraft. Regarding the stab balancing, I had to replace my trim tab which is full length of my elevator on my 2006 CTSW. This required new hinges and reinforcement at all of the hinges. I had to balance the elevator assembly, as shown in the picture. Tom Baker is probably right about not needing to balance if you are only doing the reinforcement at the trim tab control rods attachment to the trim tab. Best to call FD in Connecticut and ask about this. If you have any questions about Stab repair I will try to help. Send email or call me. Dick Harrison reh3335@yahoo.com 734.512.3467 https://mwskysports.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Baker Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 The SB that he is talking about is not the one to reinforce where the pushrods attach. It is for the pockets where the counterweights are, plus reinforcing for the hinges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runtoeat Posted December 20, 2021 Report Share Posted December 20, 2021 Got it Tom. I have had both SB's done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odonata Posted December 28, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2021 I finally found somebody that has experience in working with carbon fiber that is available to do the work with me. I'm wondering now does anybody know where I can get smaller quantities than gallons from Aircraft Spruce of the L285? Also, is it really necessary to remove the stabilator from the plane? It seems to us that the stabilator on the plane would be already in a good position for doing the work. The plane is in a nice enclosed hanger. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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